1 00:00:05,670 --> 00:00:10,270 So, you didn't know that Breche was six weeks was pregnant when she died? I'm going first 2 00:00:10,270 --> 00:00:11,650 advocate a DNA test. 3 00:00:12,010 --> 00:00:14,650 Sorry, I need to stay here for the night skip. 4 00:00:14,930 --> 00:00:18,490 I haven't found any hard evidence against Yvaniste. We can't do it 5 00:00:18,490 --> 00:00:20,630 suit as a client. Was he in Poland? 6 00:00:20,850 --> 00:00:25,090 I hate it when Friso starts talking about all those women you have cheated on. 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:30,460 I've seen the munk of math birding in the music room with that ugly one 8 00:00:30,460 --> 00:00:31,900 Tindemans ironing board. 9 00:00:32,140 --> 00:00:36,080 Why do they have Margot and her mother not questioned better? Why? She 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:37,080 were there. 11 00:00:37,420 --> 00:00:40,580 A fingerprint on the outside of the glass. 12 00:00:40,900 --> 00:00:43,640 It just shows that ma'am Palmers outside the window 13 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,120 stood. Indeed. 14 00:00:45,900 --> 00:00:51,080 I just don't think you're rude now. You even lost your parental exclusive 15 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,520 authority. Still that sweater of child and family. Can't find the knocker? 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,660 Social assistant at Child and Family. I I was wondering if you were open to that 17 00:00:59,660 --> 00:01:01,340 for an interview with me. 18 00:01:01,820 --> 00:01:05,140 You can just tell your mom that we have one have some money here. To you 19 00:01:05,140 --> 00:01:07,960 help. Mom, I don't want you children. I don't want your children. 20 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,480 I don't want your children. I don't want to to your children. I don't want you 21 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:16,520 children. I don't want your children. I don't want to 22 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,580 your children. 23 00:01:22,220 --> 00:01:23,780 Human onanatomy. 24 00:01:23,980 --> 00:01:25,940 Where is the tongue? Yes, we have at the thing a vet. 25 00:01:27,300 --> 00:01:28,300 With a feather? 26 00:01:29,940 --> 00:01:32,140 No one listens to me and then I get it you something like that. 27 00:01:34,980 --> 00:01:36,720 I really need to get rid of that house. 28 00:01:37,100 --> 00:01:39,020 It can be for sale tomorrow, if you... want. 29 00:01:39,220 --> 00:01:41,920 I'll tell a story about each juror translate. 30 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,300 Okay. But something must be done in return stand. 31 00:01:45,700 --> 00:01:48,480 I think I have a sex addiction. 32 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,400 Do you want me to be a queen? 33 00:01:52,220 --> 00:01:53,220 A pipe. 34 00:01:53,860 --> 00:01:55,540 Your buddy got passed over at work. 35 00:01:55,860 --> 00:01:59,080 That fool has already had the computers in our office taken hostage 36 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:00,080 held, Delphine. 37 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,980 Someone has to come and get you. Yes, from a boss man. That one got me right 38 00:02:03,980 --> 00:02:06,340 awed. Carla, you do have one daughter? 39 00:02:06,940 --> 00:02:07,940 Yes, Juliette. 40 00:02:08,139 --> 00:02:09,419 Couldn't she babysit? 41 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,660 I haven't heard of it. 42 00:03:17,670 --> 00:03:18,448 Is that okay? 43 00:03:18,450 --> 00:03:19,470 – Yes. 44 00:03:21,170 --> 00:03:22,170 Certainly. 45 00:03:26,870 --> 00:03:27,890 Are you ever good? 46 00:03:29,730 --> 00:03:32,250 I didn't have as much as this morning my chest. 47 00:03:32,690 --> 00:03:34,310 I was in Zwolle. 48 00:03:35,510 --> 00:03:38,410 They say that's the first thing you do feels when you are pregnant. 49 00:03:39,370 --> 00:03:42,430 Yes? – Yes, they say that anyway. 50 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,920 Yes. You just don't have that much there right now experience. 51 00:03:48,820 --> 00:03:49,820 No. 52 00:03:57,500 --> 00:03:59,600 Stefan doesn't miss a day either. 53 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:01,640 Not normal. 54 00:04:02,100 --> 00:04:03,240 That is top sport. 55 00:04:04,420 --> 00:04:09,520 Then I'll take the pill, but I have to take it just forget. 56 00:04:30,830 --> 00:04:31,830 Hey, mom. 57 00:04:33,030 --> 00:04:34,390 Look what I found. 58 00:04:36,150 --> 00:04:37,350 It's a photo of dad. 59 00:04:39,750 --> 00:04:41,370 If you want, you can continue. 60 00:04:41,850 --> 00:04:43,330 Stefan could be here right now. 61 00:04:45,050 --> 00:04:46,450 Shouldn't he actually be here already? 62 00:04:51,630 --> 00:04:52,630 Hey. 63 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:01,880 Are you okay? 64 00:05:40,810 --> 00:05:43,570 I think that should be kissing. Like this. Like this? 65 00:05:43,850 --> 00:05:44,890 Yes, like that. 66 00:05:45,530 --> 00:05:46,710 Good. Together. 67 00:05:47,390 --> 00:05:48,390 Ça va? 68 00:05:55,350 --> 00:05:56,350 Are you tired? 69 00:05:57,150 --> 00:05:59,750 No. It is together. Ça va. 70 00:06:00,970 --> 00:06:03,130 You hardly slept at all last night. 71 00:06:05,730 --> 00:06:07,650 I'm stuck with your testimony in my head. 72 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:14,540 Mom and I know what to say. 73 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:16,600 Must? 74 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,060 Yes. But that's exactly it. You're allowed there again, that's a big deal, but you have to 75 00:06:22,060 --> 00:06:23,060 just tell the truth. 76 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,320 Then why did you lie? 77 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,100 It is completely irrelevant to this process whether I cheated while it 78 00:06:40,100 --> 00:06:41,100 was my friend or not. 79 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,740 I'm not asking you to lie. – Stefan, what are you asking me? 80 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:51,440 Are you making a plan? 81 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:52,760 Do what you feel. 82 00:08:18,380 --> 00:08:20,220 Who is concerned about this statement? 83 00:08:21,020 --> 00:08:22,020 The judges don't. 84 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:23,480 The jury doesn't. 85 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:29,460 Well, I have the impression that the jury is out candle women and servants who have affairs 86 00:08:29,460 --> 00:08:30,460 against their will. 87 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:33,280 Come on. 88 00:08:34,059 --> 00:08:35,120 Jente, stop it. 89 00:08:37,419 --> 00:08:39,020 Jente, stop it. 90 00:08:39,380 --> 00:08:40,659 Don't put it together. Come on. 91 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,020 Ouch, damn it. Then go into your big one poop. Come on. 92 00:08:47,580 --> 00:08:48,580 You'll be fine with it. 93 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:52,120 Let's go. 94 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:09,820 Let them feel the night. 95 00:09:18,790 --> 00:09:19,890 I'm going to have to find another job. 96 00:09:26,790 --> 00:09:27,790 Maybe that's for the best. 97 00:09:29,530 --> 00:09:30,530 Stop it. 98 00:09:31,430 --> 00:09:33,690 Jente, please. Now put your clothes on on. 99 00:09:34,150 --> 00:09:36,710 You're going to pick up the guests from school today. 100 00:09:37,050 --> 00:09:40,770 I would appreciate it if you send me one a little more familiar, okay? 101 00:09:43,930 --> 00:09:45,170 No more things behind my back. 102 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,720 Yes, Jente, please. Say, it's then all here today. 103 00:10:53,900 --> 00:10:54,900 What are you doing here? 104 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:55,920 - What? 105 00:10:57,560 --> 00:10:58,560 One car back. 106 00:10:58,820 --> 00:11:00,340 – We got a new body, man. 107 00:11:01,820 --> 00:11:03,280 New windows, a new one broken. 108 00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:05,200 We have to spend 15,000 euros. 109 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:06,760 It's on me. 110 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,440 It's not because of that Colombian thing cold. 111 00:11:09,740 --> 00:11:12,740 Another chance I was there. I had just lost a slanted envelope. 112 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:14,400 Goddammit. 113 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,420 Come right up there. - Where? 114 00:11:17,740 --> 00:11:18,740 To court. 115 00:11:18,900 --> 00:11:20,500 I'm going to drive myself, right? What's next? 116 00:11:20,980 --> 00:11:22,080 And that I have to stay? 117 00:11:35,980 --> 00:11:37,060 What is it like? We're going jogging? 118 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,160 Ari, please. 119 00:11:39,820 --> 00:11:42,380 And your schivers have been received, but they are not in order, I have let myself go 120 00:11:42,380 --> 00:11:43,380 tell. 121 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:48,460 As far as I know, you have one too small document that is not in order? 122 00:11:50,020 --> 00:11:51,980 You want to throw me, don't you? Yes. 123 00:11:52,900 --> 00:11:57,280 Then please want goodness because of that DNA of Brechtjes Fetis 124 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:58,520 to be released for research? 125 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:00,480 Please. 126 00:12:01,980 --> 00:12:04,300 If the federal had done its job, then That shouldn't have happened, right? 127 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:06,240 That DNA isn't going to lie. 128 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,500 Just put all the cards on the table, right there you're not against it, are you? 129 00:12:10,660 --> 00:12:13,520 A good attorney allows doubt. 130 00:12:15,260 --> 00:12:18,500 And that's why I already have that DNA this morning released. 131 00:12:35,150 --> 00:12:36,370 He takes care of it for us, right? 132 00:12:37,630 --> 00:12:38,630 What, huh? 133 00:12:41,590 --> 00:12:43,290 It's free or it's us, Stefan. 134 00:12:45,290 --> 00:12:48,050 And that clown's gyvaneste is there. 135 00:12:52,150 --> 00:12:53,170 Yes, and it's good! 136 00:12:53,410 --> 00:12:54,410 Hey, calm down. 137 00:12:55,510 --> 00:12:56,510 Sorry. 138 00:13:08,490 --> 00:13:09,369 Jesus, woman. 139 00:13:09,370 --> 00:13:12,470 I'm going to stick him in there through there his throat. A sip of mine 140 00:13:12,470 --> 00:13:13,470 clone. 141 00:13:14,850 --> 00:13:17,110 That loophole may in principle say that he does borrow. 142 00:13:18,310 --> 00:13:21,090 He may have thought so he has lost his daughter. 143 00:13:21,870 --> 00:13:22,870 Geznood. 144 00:14:01,540 --> 00:14:02,640 sit there and do nothing. 145 00:14:03,780 --> 00:14:05,160 What do you want me to do now? 146 00:14:05,940 --> 00:14:07,040 I can solve it. 147 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,320 You may take a seat. 148 00:14:37,540 --> 00:14:39,540 The accused may be led in. 149 00:14:50,340 --> 00:14:54,840 Mr. Vindevogel, I can't help you forbid speaking to the press. 150 00:14:55,140 --> 00:14:59,320 But you understand that you can't just go in you can accuse people at random 151 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:00,320 or insult. 152 00:15:01,100 --> 00:15:03,760 There are also penalties for slander and defamation. 153 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,320 Master Van Severen, it is meant to be that the lawyers tell their clients about this 154 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,320 advise. I want a serene process feed. 155 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:16,860 The first witness may enter. 156 00:15:20,140 --> 00:15:23,620 Mrs Tindemans, I know that is not the case is easy for you. It goes here 157 00:15:23,620 --> 00:15:28,360 finally about your granddaughter. Madam As far as I know, Tindemans doesn't have one 158 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:33,320 grandchildren. She has a daughter who lives with Stefan de Munk, but there 159 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:37,260 there is no official connection between them Mrs Tindemans and Roosje de Munk, 160 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:41,680 right? I am her only grandmother. I don't see any objection to the fact that the prosecutor 161 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,800 the term granddaughter is used here. 162 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:50,760 Mrs Tindemans, can you tell us about your first meeting with Mrs 163 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:51,760 Palmers? 164 00:15:51,940 --> 00:15:55,620 Well, that must have been a few years ago attended the school quiz. 165 00:15:56,170 --> 00:16:01,310 Margot, Fri and Stefan were going quizzes and Fri canceled because she was tired 166 00:16:01,310 --> 00:16:05,150 due to her pregnancy. No, Fri wanted no longer being on that quiz team. 167 00:16:05,790 --> 00:16:08,910 Stefan was already gone home by then. He had leaving her pregnant. 168 00:16:09,470 --> 00:16:13,830 Then you have no desire to be with that man and his new love to take a quiz 169 00:16:13,830 --> 00:16:14,830 play. 170 00:16:15,730 --> 00:16:20,030 So you filled in during that school quiz for Mrs. Palmers? 171 00:16:20,350 --> 00:16:21,350 Yes. 172 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,640 And when we wanted to continue after the break go, I couldn't find Margot anymore. 173 00:16:26,500 --> 00:16:30,780 Then I went to look and I saw on the parking a dark blue car. 174 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:36,360 I walked there and I saw that Free attacked my daughter. 175 00:16:36,820 --> 00:16:38,240 Mrs Palmers, that's right. 176 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,120 Do you drive a dark blue car? 177 00:16:43,380 --> 00:16:49,500 Free had a dark blue car. And that one was under repair at the time. 178 00:16:50,420 --> 00:16:55,240 Mrs Tindemans, you are the only one that slap in Margot's face 179 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:56,159 has seen. 180 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,020 There was no one in that parking lot. 181 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,780 Except you and your daughter. 182 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:06,760 The local police mainly have this also classified for lack of 183 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:10,319 prove. Mr. Spargelie, Palmers has my daughter in her face 184 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:11,319 beaten in that parking lot. 185 00:17:11,460 --> 00:17:14,040 I've seen it myself. That was revenge. 186 00:17:27,020 --> 00:17:29,520 Thanks for yesterday. – C'est pas. 187 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:31,440 No, I thought it was very sweet. 188 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,000 I don't know many people who do something like that would do for me. 189 00:17:36,580 --> 00:17:37,600 You don't have to have it. 190 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,000 Sometimes it's so tiring to work all day to work with those children. 191 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:50,680 I believe it. 192 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:57,479 And you? 193 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:58,920 Have you ever thought about children? 194 00:18:00,740 --> 00:18:01,740 No. 195 00:18:02,180 --> 00:18:03,900 No? No, that's not for me. 196 00:18:07,780 --> 00:18:08,780 Maybe someday. 197 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:10,280 I don't think so. 198 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:13,540 But you would still be a good dad are. 199 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:01,440 I would like to discuss it with you about the evening of the attack on Roos. 200 00:19:02,660 --> 00:19:04,940 You were at home with your daughter at the time, Margot. 201 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,640 Yes. We had dinner around six o'clock. 202 00:19:09,420 --> 00:19:12,740 And around seven o'clock Margot catches Roos laid to bed. 203 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:15,660 What did you eat? 204 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:18,800 Bird's nests. 205 00:19:20,060 --> 00:19:21,060 Congratulations. 206 00:19:21,260 --> 00:19:23,600 I don't even know what I mean anymore had dinner last night. 207 00:19:25,900 --> 00:19:27,240 Did you drink alcohol there? 208 00:19:27,900 --> 00:19:28,900 No. 209 00:19:29,100 --> 00:19:32,040 Nothing? No, we're not drinkers, my daughter and me. 210 00:19:33,340 --> 00:19:34,340 Stefan does? 211 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:36,120 Not during the week. 212 00:19:36,820 --> 00:19:38,800 Something for all furies and to the cinema involved. 213 00:19:39,420 --> 00:19:41,720 And what did you do that way? evening? 214 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:47,480 I cleaned up the kitchen and Margot was studying her lessons in her office 215 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:48,800 preparing for after the holidays. 216 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:50,740 And what happened then? 217 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,820 Yes, the baby monitor was on and suddenly I heard Roos crying very loudly. 218 00:19:57,300 --> 00:20:01,760 I then immediately go to her room walked and... She lay bleeding on the 219 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:02,760 ground. 220 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:04,960 Then what did you do? 221 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,340 Yes, then I closed the wounds. 222 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,900 Margot still had her headphones on. 223 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:13,660 And he only heard me when I... started shouting. And then she had the 224 00:20:13,660 --> 00:20:14,660 ambulance called. 225 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:18,840 Any idea who has that window? smashed? 226 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,280 Frie Palmers. 227 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:22,800 How can you be so sure? 228 00:20:23,220 --> 00:20:24,220 Have you seen her? 229 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,399 No. 230 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,260 No, but she doesn't even care for that window. 231 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,400 And Stefan still wasn't there then back? 232 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,740 No. I only got it at the hospital looked back. 233 00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:38,420 You remain very calm about it, Mrs Tinnemans. 234 00:20:39,260 --> 00:20:42,260 All that blood and stuff, apparently that's what you do not much. 235 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:43,700 Yes, of course. 236 00:20:44,900 --> 00:20:47,360 I'm just trying to get the facts back give. 237 00:20:47,740 --> 00:20:50,020 Wherever you are so calm... 238 00:20:50,460 --> 00:20:55,400 When without hitting the carotid artery, Roosje, her throat slit? What is that? 239 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:56,400 here for bullshit? 240 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,640 The federal police has arrested Mrs Tindemans was questioned and she was not 241 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:01,640 suspicious. 242 00:21:01,780 --> 00:21:04,680 I will formulate my question differently. 243 00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:11,880 Have you ever been afraid of the police? would suspect you or Margot? Because there was 244 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:12,960 quite a motive, right? 245 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,260 Maybe Margot was that child from that Stefan's previous marriage out of the way. 246 00:21:18,810 --> 00:21:22,870 And you've always said that you have everything would do for Margot. 247 00:21:23,710 --> 00:21:24,710 Where does that quote come from? 248 00:21:25,170 --> 00:21:27,310 From the file. I don't have that anywhere read. 249 00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:31,050 If you think I would give us Roos something come and there will be a place for you 250 00:21:31,050 --> 00:21:32,050 hell, sir. 251 00:21:36,170 --> 00:21:38,910 Mrs Tinnemans, your husband was also one farmer, huh? 252 00:21:39,150 --> 00:21:40,150 Yes. 253 00:21:40,650 --> 00:21:45,170 He had a chicken farm, but that is overwhelmed by the dioxin crisis 254 00:21:45,170 --> 00:21:46,170 99. 255 00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:49,810 Do you know this person? 256 00:21:52,670 --> 00:21:53,890 That's Guy Van Neste. 257 00:21:54,890 --> 00:21:56,610 Did your husband know Guy Van Neste? 258 00:21:57,890 --> 00:22:01,750 Vague. This has absolutely nothing to do with it anymore to make facts. We digress. 259 00:22:02,090 --> 00:22:05,930 I have even now been told that your husband and Guy Van Neste are good friends 260 00:22:05,930 --> 00:22:06,930 were. 261 00:22:07,870 --> 00:22:11,070 Guy Van Neste was my first love back then I was 19. 262 00:22:12,270 --> 00:22:14,330 Because of him I recognized my husband. 263 00:22:14,860 --> 00:22:18,100 Are you currently still in contact with Givanes de Mrs Tindemans? 264 00:22:18,820 --> 00:22:19,820 Why do you ask that? 265 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,960 The neighbors have stated that they saw an unknown man in the evening 266 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,200 house of Stefan and Margot. 267 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,580 Be honest, was he the man who did the neighbors sometimes walking around? 268 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:32,700 But no, I don't have it that evening seen. 269 00:22:32,980 --> 00:22:36,220 No, not that evening, but you saw each other. 270 00:22:36,500 --> 00:22:37,500 Private, yes. 271 00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:42,240 Did he show you how to get next to a stroke hadder cuts? He's got it wrong. 272 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:43,440 Please say. 273 00:22:43,450 --> 00:22:48,910 Did he tell you about Brecht? has gone? Mister Spaak, please. 274 00:22:49,170 --> 00:22:51,130 You also know that he was in Poland at the time? 275 00:22:51,970 --> 00:22:52,970 How do I know? 276 00:22:53,770 --> 00:22:55,650 He told you that yesterday, right? 277 00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:59,510 So you've seen me there by now. 278 00:23:00,010 --> 00:23:04,950 To agree a bit on what will happen in the court is told. 279 00:23:07,330 --> 00:23:11,250 Mrs Tindemans, do you have this at the moment? a relationship with Guy Van Heste? 280 00:23:12,810 --> 00:23:14,590 That was only three years ago started. 281 00:23:15,030 --> 00:23:19,510 And you are just used to each other bumped into it again? 282 00:23:21,950 --> 00:23:24,250 Yes. How did that go? 283 00:23:26,490 --> 00:23:31,090 Mrs Dindemans, we are below big people. You can just say that. 284 00:23:31,570 --> 00:23:33,010 Widowed for ten years. 285 00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:37,010 I can imagine it being on one At some point it starts to itch. 286 00:23:40,270 --> 00:23:45,110 But when I look at you like this, ma'am Tindemans, and I look at Guy Van Estes 287 00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:48,330 well... You're not in the same room cafes, eh? 288 00:23:50,810 --> 00:23:51,810 By his niece. 289 00:23:52,890 --> 00:23:53,890 His niece? 290 00:23:54,250 --> 00:23:57,510 Can you tell us a little more about that? niece? Yes, but there's nothing to say about that 291 00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:58,510 tell. 292 00:23:59,230 --> 00:24:01,010 Who is that niece, Mrs. Tindemans? 293 00:24:04,170 --> 00:24:06,610 Mrs Tindemans, would you like to answer the question? answers, please? 294 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:10,320 Her name is Vicky. 295 00:24:11,380 --> 00:24:12,740 Vicky van Este? 296 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:21,720 Vicky de Klopper. 297 00:24:23,580 --> 00:24:24,940 Vicky de Klopper? 298 00:24:25,140 --> 00:24:26,300 Of Child and Family. 299 00:24:27,060 --> 00:24:28,320 From Child and Family? 300 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,580 Vicky de Klopper is Guy's niece from Este. 301 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:36,960 Mrs Tiendemans. 302 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,520 Does Guy Van Este happen to have something to offer? deal with that bad report from Kind en 303 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,520 Family? 304 00:24:45,420 --> 00:24:47,640 You are under reasons, ma'am Tindemans. 305 00:24:54,740 --> 00:24:55,740 Mrs Tindemans? 306 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:01,640 Yes. 307 00:25:02,540 --> 00:25:06,690 So you have the niece of Guy Van Este asked... for a negative 308 00:25:06,690 --> 00:25:08,590 to write a report on Free. 309 00:25:11,050 --> 00:25:12,510 I asked that. 310 00:25:13,290 --> 00:25:15,150 But Go and Stefan knew nothing. 311 00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:23,950 Ma'am, you made sure of that Free Palmers unfairly parental 312 00:25:23,950 --> 00:25:27,650 about her own daughter Roosje has lost. 313 00:25:30,450 --> 00:25:33,590 Maybe there is one for you too place in hell. 314 00:25:44,330 --> 00:25:45,830 You already had a thing for that Van Nist, didn't you? 315 00:25:49,950 --> 00:25:50,950 Mom. 316 00:25:52,370 --> 00:25:53,970 Margot, I have my life too, okay? 317 00:25:58,570 --> 00:26:00,030 And that was a friend of Dad's? 318 00:26:01,710 --> 00:26:05,690 No, he had a fight when I was in the time I started something with dad. 319 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:13,900 And did it come to our house? 320 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,220 Why didn't I know that about that niece? 321 00:26:21,700 --> 00:26:22,820 I didn't know that either. 322 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:30,440 That fight with Free after the school quiz, That's all correct, isn't it? 323 00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:33,680 What do you get now? 324 00:26:33,980 --> 00:26:35,040 I ask a question. 325 00:26:36,540 --> 00:26:38,160 Stefan, nothing was sent. 326 00:26:43,790 --> 00:26:45,750 Free did hit my face. 327 00:26:48,270 --> 00:26:49,970 I didn't even agree to that. 328 00:26:52,830 --> 00:26:59,430 I was smoking a cigarette on the playground. And suddenly Free gives me 329 00:26:59,430 --> 00:27:01,850 a slap in my face. 330 00:27:03,410 --> 00:27:06,630 And why didn't you complain immediately? reported to the police? 331 00:27:07,330 --> 00:27:08,970 Free was pregnant at the time. 332 00:27:09,690 --> 00:27:11,810 And that was just the... 333 00:27:12,190 --> 00:27:15,430 the period when Stefan came to me live. 334 00:27:15,930 --> 00:27:19,210 So yes, I understood that she was angry. 335 00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:21,610 Was Free often violent? 336 00:27:22,830 --> 00:27:26,110 I especially found her very manipulative. 337 00:27:27,330 --> 00:27:30,350 It has also been broken into a few times been in my car. 338 00:27:31,030 --> 00:27:36,390 And with periods I got constant anonymous phone calls. 339 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:43,600 And then that situation with the alleged emails from Stefan to Myrthe. 340 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,400 I would like to come back to that, Madam Chairman. Can we do that? 341 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,200 see emails on the screen again, please? 342 00:27:54,540 --> 00:28:00,980 Dear Myrthe, your beautiful eyes at school stimulated me every day. 343 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,140 Now that you're away from school, I would... would like to get to know you a little better. 344 00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:08,870 Don't you feel like coming along? the cinema? 345 00:28:09,690 --> 00:28:13,010 Mrs Palmers, I would still like it let's hear from you. 346 00:28:13,650 --> 00:28:17,490 Have you ever sent emails on behalf of Stéphane de Munch? 347 00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:23,130 No, but I can understand why that says. Of course she knows that 348 00:28:23,130 --> 00:28:24,470 Stéphane cannot be trusted. 349 00:28:26,490 --> 00:28:28,850 Your beautiful eyes excite me every day. 350 00:28:29,870 --> 00:28:32,510 I know Stéphane, who writes one like that things not. 351 00:28:32,970 --> 00:28:36,430 So according to you, Stefan is never strange gone, Mrs Tindemans? 352 00:28:37,210 --> 00:28:38,370 Not that I know of. 353 00:28:39,330 --> 00:28:41,810 And that time with you at the cinema? 354 00:28:42,250 --> 00:28:48,890 We immediately opted for this a relationship. So I don't think so 355 00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:49,890 cheating. 356 00:28:50,270 --> 00:28:53,750 Were there any other women who were hateful? to Stefan? 357 00:28:54,050 --> 00:28:55,230 Frisian is the only one. 358 00:28:56,950 --> 00:29:01,870 Mrs Tindemans, why did you Actually, no children with Stefan yet? 359 00:29:02,820 --> 00:29:07,260 Has he also made you infertile with are like? Master Spaak, yours 360 00:29:07,260 --> 00:29:09,000 cross-examination is for later. 361 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,780 I want to bring a child into the world, but only if that fool is in for life 362 00:29:13,780 --> 00:29:14,519 the bin is seated. 363 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:19,320 Now you sound a bit like the evil one stepmother. Master Spaak, I have you 364 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,900 just been notified there. I really have there never had a problem with it 365 00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:26,580 comes second to education from Roos. Never. 366 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,800 But I have attached myself to that child. 367 00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:34,410 And then it just doesn't matter anymore whether she is yours or not. 368 00:29:35,410 --> 00:29:40,470 And have you ever thought about how that should be for the real mother? 369 00:29:41,710 --> 00:29:44,510 That woman has never felt what I have felt for that child. 370 00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:49,330 She even said just ask tell Stefan what I did 371 00:29:49,330 --> 00:29:51,230 with Brechtje and I'm going to do the same with you. 372 00:29:51,950 --> 00:29:53,850 Excuse me, is that something new again? 373 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,540 When do you think Frida said, Mrs Tindemans? Mrs Tindemans, 374 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,300 You have to explain this, because it is cannot be found anywhere in the PVs. 375 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:06,460 Did Frie Palmers state to you that she did something to Brechtje? 376 00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:12,560 After Toederecht's ruling Frida said to me in the 377 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,800 family court, yes. 378 00:30:14,300 --> 00:30:17,580 And she has those exact lines against you said? 379 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,760 Yes, approximately, yes. 380 00:30:20,140 --> 00:30:22,420 So it's not just her that's against it Stefane said? 381 00:30:22,970 --> 00:30:24,130 But also to you. 382 00:30:24,410 --> 00:30:28,750 Mrs Tindemans, this is complete new information for anyone who wants this 383 00:30:28,750 --> 00:30:29,750 knows the file. 384 00:30:30,530 --> 00:30:32,930 Why didn't you mention that earlier? police said? 385 00:30:33,890 --> 00:30:35,770 Stefan had already said that, right? 386 00:30:36,370 --> 00:30:40,410 And then she has another one against me repeated times. 387 00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:42,110 Do you stick with that? 388 00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:44,850 Do you think that is the truth? 389 00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:46,110 Yes. 390 00:30:46,570 --> 00:30:47,710 Come on, come on. 391 00:30:48,380 --> 00:30:52,940 I'm starting to get the feeling that... everything is made up by one 392 00:30:52,940 --> 00:30:55,840 couple that might be hiding something has. 393 00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:57,019 That's not true. 394 00:30:57,020 --> 00:31:03,360 So Free has against both of you known separately. 395 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:04,740 Yes, yes. 396 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,160 Come on, come on. 397 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,060 Okay, now we'll take fifteen minutes break. 398 00:31:23,370 --> 00:31:25,070 Have you heard from Juliette? 399 00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:27,650 Yes, she went to get her children and then she goes home. 400 00:31:27,890 --> 00:31:30,270 She promised to text at half past three. 401 00:31:30,530 --> 00:31:33,050 Okay. I trust Juliette 100%. 402 00:31:33,410 --> 00:31:34,410 Yes? Yes. 403 00:31:44,650 --> 00:31:46,950 Babysitting isn't really what I'm into had thought of doing together. 404 00:31:48,610 --> 00:31:49,610 Sex or not? 405 00:31:51,310 --> 00:31:52,310 For example, yes. 406 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,480 David, that doesn't work with those kids along. 407 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,160 Are you Juliette? Yes. Okay. Bye, mom. 408 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,020 Day. Hello. 409 00:32:07,420 --> 00:32:08,800 So I'm coming to pick you up. 410 00:32:09,180 --> 00:32:11,440 I'd rather have Gabriel come to us pick up. 411 00:32:11,900 --> 00:32:15,480 Gabriel isn't here today, but that I like it better than Gabriel. 412 00:32:16,860 --> 00:32:18,600 We are not allowed to go with male friends. 413 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,620 That's not friends guys, that's mine sweet, that's Davy. 414 00:32:21,980 --> 00:32:22,980 Hello. 415 00:32:24,060 --> 00:32:25,200 You look strange. 416 00:32:26,140 --> 00:32:29,440 You look strange. Tell me who Are you coming to play air guitar? 417 00:32:29,780 --> 00:32:30,780 Me and her. 418 00:32:34,820 --> 00:32:35,820 Yes, good. 419 00:32:35,860 --> 00:32:36,860 Come on, are you with it? 420 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,200 Master of Severen. 421 00:32:46,899 --> 00:32:50,380 Mrs Tindemans, there are a few more things are not entirely clear to me. 422 00:32:51,060 --> 00:32:54,500 I would like to take a photo of the shard of glass can... 423 00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:59,920 Okay, thank you. 424 00:33:01,660 --> 00:33:06,100 Mrs Tindemans, when will you clean both? the windows in Roos' room? 425 00:33:06,980 --> 00:33:09,260 We have one every two weeks cleaning lady. 426 00:33:10,020 --> 00:33:13,540 And she cleans both inside and out on the outside. 427 00:33:14,450 --> 00:33:17,650 She checks the outside once two, three months. 428 00:33:18,030 --> 00:33:23,490 Okay, so then it's plausible that the Free's fingerprints 429 00:33:23,490 --> 00:33:27,910 have almost three months on that window stood. 430 00:33:28,350 --> 00:33:31,690 Free claims that they are there the last time was on December 6. 431 00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:35,470 That was just two weeks before the attack on Rose. 432 00:33:37,510 --> 00:33:41,070 After December 6, the cleaning lady certainly has still done the outside. 433 00:33:41,770 --> 00:33:47,850 Yes, at least it says so in the police file she that she can't remember if she 434 00:33:47,850 --> 00:33:49,870 when the outside has also done. 435 00:33:51,090 --> 00:33:56,230 She told me yes, because I had asked her. 436 00:33:57,430 --> 00:34:03,790 Asked? I especially regret that who is the cleaning lady by the police 437 00:34:03,790 --> 00:34:06,690 questioned six months after the facts. 438 00:34:07,150 --> 00:34:09,250 Six months after the facts... 439 00:34:09,790 --> 00:34:12,070 ...I wouldn't know anymore either. And me have a good memory. 440 00:34:14,330 --> 00:34:19,770 Ma'am, maybe you have there asked... ...and she doesn't have it 441 00:34:19,770 --> 00:34:20,770 done. 442 00:34:21,650 --> 00:34:22,650 I don't think so. 443 00:34:24,090 --> 00:34:27,949 Do you think? We all do that from time to time, ma'am. For me that is already a hobby. 444 00:34:29,949 --> 00:34:35,929 And as hard as you can... You know, Petra? 445 00:34:36,190 --> 00:34:37,190 Those are those days. 446 00:34:38,170 --> 00:34:40,190 I don't think it's that movie after all. 447 00:34:42,030 --> 00:34:44,150 But no, that was really good. 448 00:34:44,889 --> 00:34:46,510 Do you like that? Yes. 449 00:34:48,750 --> 00:34:49,750 Okay. 450 00:34:54,770 --> 00:34:56,449 Oh, that blood. 451 00:34:59,470 --> 00:35:01,910 Would you like to try that too? with that blood? Yes. 452 00:35:03,110 --> 00:35:04,110 Oh, 453 00:35:05,350 --> 00:35:06,350 I have a pink one. 454 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,060 That really bothers me. 455 00:35:38,970 --> 00:35:40,470 You have to call someone. 456 00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:56,570 Mrs Tindemans, you were sitting in your office evening of the facts. 457 00:35:58,030 --> 00:36:00,230 I was taking a music lesson prepare. 458 00:36:00,470 --> 00:36:01,610 During the Christmas holidays. 459 00:36:02,110 --> 00:36:04,650 That's very quick. 460 00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:13,460 Why did your mother hear Roosje? cry and you don't? 461 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,700 I had my headphones on. 462 00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:22,500 It's strange that your baby doesn't hear crying? 463 00:36:23,420 --> 00:36:28,460 Could you please describe what your attracted attention? 464 00:36:31,660 --> 00:36:36,140 I heard my mother calling was. 465 00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:39,320 I walked to her. 466 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,420 Rose lay on the floor in her room, bloodied. 467 00:36:47,060 --> 00:36:53,460 And my mother was the wound in her neck staunching. 468 00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:01,440 Mrs Tindemans, am I correct when I say that you saw Free as a threat? 469 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,500 You have three times... 470 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,680 Complaint against her filed with the police for stalking while you're there 471 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,660 had no evidence whatsoever. 472 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,820 Are you saying I made that up? do you have that stalking? 473 00:37:16,180 --> 00:37:22,380 Those threatening letters that Free supposedly sent sent, why did you send it to 474 00:37:22,380 --> 00:37:27,680 brought to the police after Roos was attacked? They were ready in a box. 475 00:37:28,650 --> 00:37:32,530 That's a small effort, such a deus take to the police. We are 476 00:37:32,530 --> 00:37:36,570 to the police several times and no one believed us there. 477 00:37:37,070 --> 00:37:41,250 Can we say that in the long run you will... worth your while? 478 00:37:42,570 --> 00:37:46,150 How often have we been afraid of that? something will happen to Roos again. 479 00:37:48,030 --> 00:37:49,870 You wanted it to stop. 480 00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:55,120 And that is why you and your mother are together the ultimate done. Madam de 481 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,540 Chairman, please. Injure Rose. 482 00:37:58,340 --> 00:38:02,820 Rose injured. Everything in the shoes of Frieze sliding. Master Spaak, the 483 00:38:02,820 --> 00:38:04,580 witness is not accused. 484 00:38:04,820 --> 00:38:06,460 I would never do anything to Roos. 485 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:15,680 Mrs Tindemans, as the one who did it has done would sit there... he would 486 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,900 probably say the same thing. You have your point made, master Spaak. Other 487 00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:19,900 question. 488 00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:21,870 No further question. 489 00:38:54,590 --> 00:38:57,990 Did Free really say that to you? In the court, that they give us all something 490 00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:58,990 were going to put on? 491 00:39:01,850 --> 00:39:02,850 Yes. 492 00:39:03,350 --> 00:39:05,870 Yes, you know then... Oh yes, death blow of that. 493 00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:15,090 That hit me all at once again pins. Yes, only now. 494 00:39:15,610 --> 00:39:16,670 So in one go. 495 00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:22,010 Well, just... I can even imagine don't even remember when Free 496 00:39:22,010 --> 00:39:23,910 just said to me... 497 00:39:24,380 --> 00:39:26,560 That she did something wonderful. 498 00:39:30,260 --> 00:39:32,300 You told the judge, right? yes? 499 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:33,800 We argued so much. 500 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,800 But you're sure they'll get it real someday said to you? I don't know that 501 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:42,900 more. Don't know. 502 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:44,240 Really, Stefan. 503 00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:49,560 I only do things to do good, say. 504 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,320 That's something different than just something sit around making up ideas? Yes, but I have to 505 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,400 lie about all those other women. But come on, say. We're all on 506 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,400 same side, eh. 507 00:40:08,020 --> 00:40:09,960 Well, what's the story here, huh? 508 00:40:11,140 --> 00:40:12,460 What's the story here? 509 00:40:13,260 --> 00:40:17,660 The country is turned upside down, the gathered world prize is present and the jury is 510 00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:19,540 busy with each other's babysitting arrangements. 511 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:20,920 That's a nice story, isn't it? 512 00:40:24,740 --> 00:40:27,080 And whose children were they? 513 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,440 From Delphine's bulls. 514 00:40:28,740 --> 00:40:31,200 That's not a jealous guy anymore said. Yes. 515 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,080 What do they know more about? 516 00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:34,980 There is nothing special with Delphine. 517 00:40:35,380 --> 00:40:37,280 But does he get beat up by some guy or something? 518 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,000 Have you won a gossip blog? 519 00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:40,600 Yes, but you are in protection, aren't you? 520 00:40:41,060 --> 00:40:42,060 But no. 521 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,280 That would be something. 522 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:45,780 You and Delphine. 523 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,180 It's a married guy. 524 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,280 Yes, and that's holding you back. 525 00:40:52,380 --> 00:40:53,560 Sink something into the crops. 526 00:40:53,780 --> 00:40:54,820 Are we done for today? 527 00:40:58,340 --> 00:41:02,360 I will contribute the 500 euros to that amount for a bailiff. 528 00:41:02,660 --> 00:41:03,840 Here's an advance. 529 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,560 But tomorrow I want a little more information about that video. 530 00:41:35,540 --> 00:41:38,340 Juliette? Juliette? 531 00:41:45,380 --> 00:41:46,780 2009. 532 00:41:56,270 --> 00:41:58,290 Thanks. Ma, almost really seven minutes. 533 00:41:58,970 --> 00:41:59,970 Sorry, mom. 534 00:42:00,570 --> 00:42:01,570 Thanks. 535 00:42:37,740 --> 00:42:38,740 Hello Tommekke. 536 00:42:39,380 --> 00:42:40,380 Come. 537 00:42:43,820 --> 00:42:45,100 Tommekke, Tommekke. 538 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,420 I'm going out again, come on. 539 00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:43,210 I had legalized you, didn't I? 540 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,320 I didn't see it there. 541 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,140 That bitch tries Stefan all the time to get back. 542 00:44:54,180 --> 00:44:56,280 With her fucking pregnancy. 543 00:45:02,940 --> 00:45:04,460 You still want to do it, don't you? 544 00:45:07,340 --> 00:45:08,340 You sure?